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Dr. Clare W. Graves

Dudley Lynch, president of Brain Technologies Corporation, has called R. Buckminster Fuller the best general interpreter of Albert Einstein's revolutionary ideas and observationsthe implications of Einstein's realization that time depends on the observer, and that even light has its limits and so forth. But when it comes to the impact of Einstein's ideas on the psychological world and the business marketplace, Lynch credits the late Dr. Clare W. Graves as being Einstein's best interpreter and decoder. Here, in Q&A format, is "Lynch on Graves"


What was it like to know and be in the presence of Clare Graves?

The first time I met him, he was folded into a restaurant booth in Newton, Mass. It was snowing. His speckled grey overcoat was tossed at his side. I've never forgotten the mental "collage" that formed instantly in my mind as I took in the image of this courtly, scholarly looking man in the thick-rimmed glasses. He looked not all that unlike an aging, bespectacled Abe Lincoln fitted onto the body of a Jimmy Stewart. Long, craggy face. Thick, bushy eyebrows. Sprawling, gangly frame of a physique. At that time—in the late 1970svirtually the only people who knew of him or his work were members of a small, devoted clique of "early adapters" attracted to the gargantuan reach of Graves' spectacular model of how people change. When I joined that circle, I quickly learned that tall, iconoclastic Clare Graves did have one legacy: Over the years, at academic conferences up and down the Atlantic Coast, Graves had earned himself a reputation as something of a prickly curmudgeon, a Lone Eagle, a streetfighter of the mind. You never quite knew what he would say, or do. At one conference, the participants elected to sit on the carpet or on pillows. Only Dr. Graves stubbornly insisted on a chair. All day he sat as erect as a lighthouse surrounded by a sea of "humanistic psychologists," leaning on their elbows or grasping at their knees. He had opinions on everythingand pulled no punches. Said, always, what was on his mind, anytime, any audience. "When this guy talks about people 'marching to their own drummer,' it's like he owns the original sheet music," I remember saying to myself, in amusement.


Why was Graves so controversial in American psychology? 
I don't think he was so much controversial as he was avoided. Perhaps "shunned" is a better word. On that very first meeting in the Newton motel coffee shop, I asked him why his ideas had provoked such a strong reaction, particularly from psychologists. He replied, "Probably because I went up against Abe Maslow's view of the self-actualizing human."

"The biggest surprise of my life," he continued, "was the day in 1959 when I realized that some of the people I'd been testing were claiming that they had moved beyond self-actualization. One day they were saying that Abe Maslow's description fit their idea of maturity perfectly. Now, here they were telling me, 'No, that's the way I used to think. But that's not the way it is any more.'" Abraham Maslow was perhaps post-war America's dominant figure in psychology. For certain, in academic circles or out, he was the hero of an entire generation of "human potential" advocates. In these formative moments of the "PC" (politically correct) movement, anyone who challenged Abe Maslow's views was immediately labeled a heretic, a traitorand was cast out, or kept out. Maslow taught psychology at Brandeis, in Boston; Graves at Union College, in Schenectady. They were close geographically. As Graves emerged as Maslow's fiercest critic, they grew more estranged, but later, more or less reconciled both their views and their friendship.


How Did Graves' view of human development differ from Maslow's?

Graves said there was a vast, open-ended developmental space for us humans out beyond the pinnacle of Maslow's famed "peak performance," the end point on his pyramid of human needs, that was as immense as the cosmos in our brains. Graves went further: he said his research data had captured almost the precise moment that some of the first "homo sapiens" managed to "rewire" their brain, to reprogram themselves, and move on into this New Universe of Effective Possibility, this new kind of self. "A momentous leap," he called it. A jump forward to new capabilities and outlooks highly useful in dealing, for example, with a marketplace exploding with change, complexity and colliding expectations.

I encourage my clients and associates and readers to think of tall, lanky, blunt-spoken, brilliant Clare Graves as a 20th Century "Christopher Columbus," the first visionary actually to see and to cite hard evidence of a unique, emergent new "way" to apply and experience human nature.


What other conclusions can we draw quickly from Dr. Graves' thinking?

Dr. Graves warned us to expect the rate of change to spike a high fever. And to anticipate a widening gap between our expectations and needs and our experiences and game plans that would demand a different way of explanation, a change in how we plan and prepare, an altered perspective in how we see ourselves at work, at play, at succeeding. He said that to be maximally at home and effective in this new domain of the self, we would need to grow cozy with the expectationthe deep, deep down feeling and convictionthat everything is going to turn out well . . . even if, in the short run, we lose! He said this wall marks the demarcation separating outlooks of scarcity (that there is not enough, and can never be) from outlooks of abundance (that there is often enough, and probably will be, if we make good choices, more, much more). Dr. Graves said his research data showed that beyond this wall, there is not the automatic obliviousness that has often shielded us from new possibilities but rather a relaxation of compulsions that helps open our eyes and our opportunities. And we know now that he was right. The wall is there. And there's a way through it. This has provided the almost total focus of our work, our creation of metaphors and models and self-learning materials at Brain Technologies.


What are some of your favorite observations by Dr. Graves? 
I have many, but here are a few: 

On his model: "The psychology of the mature human being is an unfolding, emergent, oscillating, spiraling process marked by progressive subordination of older, lower-order behavior systems to newer, higher-order systems as man's existential problems change." 

On the emergence of new values: "There is ... an appearance of breakdown which results from the realization of the new values themselves, because these new values are so often the exact antithesis of the old. In that sense, the new values do represent the ultimate breakdown of the current basis of society, or of the individual's way of life." 

On the importance of a person's thinking/perceptual/valuing system: "[When] the human is centralized in one state of existence, he or she has a psychology which is particular to that state. His or her feelings, motivations, ethics and values, biochemistry, degree of neurological activation, learning system, belief system, conception of mental health, ideas as to what mental illness is and how it should be treated, conceptions of and preferences for management, education, economics and political theory and practice are all appropriate [congruent] to that state." 

On the new "self" that at BTC we've sometimes called metaphorically "the Choice-Seeker or Dolphin system": [In this system] the world is seen kaleidoscopically with different views demanding different attention. [Dolphin or PowerWave] thinking is in terms of the systemic whole and thought is about the different wholes in different ways. Thought strives to ascertain which way of thinking or which combination of ways fits the present set of conditions. Thinking is in terms of what is best for the survival of lifemy life, their lives, and all life, but not compulsively; and what is best for me or thee does not have to be best for she or them. My way does not have to be yours, nor yours mine, yet I have very strong convictions about what is my way, but never such about yours." 

On Maslow: "You should know that Maslow came around to my point. If you look at some of his later writings, you will see that he accepted both (1) the cyclic idea that there were more than one kind of expressive system and more than one kind of belonging system and (2) that the system is open-ended. We finally, after fighting over this for eight years, came to a fundamental agreement along that line." 

On how we damage our children: "Today we endeavor to teach children to be what they are not. That is, we prevent them from reaching higher into the existential hierarchy by preventing them from acting out the levels of existence on which they are actually living." 

On Richard Nixon: "Nixon would have been considered a closed [Level Five, or Achiever]. He was political, calculative, goal-oriented, high on drive, etc. During Watergate, as trauma set in, we could accurately predict he would drop to a level three (remember he physically struck his press secretary), move to a four (remember him excessively quoting from the Bible), move back to five and then briefly onto six (remember he publicly denounced the Alaskan pipeline which previously he fervently supported). When you deal in human behavior you are never dealing in absolutes but you are always confronted with probabilities ...." 

On people in a hurry to declare themselves residents of System 8 [the system Graves said lies beyond BTC's Dolphin or PowerWave System, or System 7]: "There's nothing like a reformed drunk or a converted True Believer. This is something you've got to watch very carefully when teaching this point of view. It's probably gotten me in more trouble than  anything else. A lot of people, once they become acquainted with this, become convinced that their thinking is at the [System 8] level and that it's centralized there. But, you know, among my students, most of these studied in Bible colleges in the past, and many are back there now. I've got two this year, and I'll guarantee you that they'll be in Bible college next year, though they don't know it. Actually, down deep, they are [Level 4 Loyalists]." 

On himself: "You have to understand one thing about me, and that is when I start anything, I'm an ornery cuss. I believe that no one else knows anything about it. I don't want to know what anyone else knows. I won't read anyone else. I almost got kicked out of college for that any number of times. If I want to know something about something, I'm going to get my own facts and not waste a lot of time."